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2012年6月15日星期五

究竟大學生研經宣教會真正的名稱是什麼? (16 Jun 2012)


bosophie 寫到:
看完littlesheepQUOTE的電郵投訴信,我才知道這個網帖裏你真的用了很多不同的名字,原來都是同一個人,之前都不知道添!...也知道你在這裏用不同身份寫野寫到真係...


Graceleung 寫到:
請不要再回應了,以「不同的身份」在網上回應的,包括:littlesheepAmytkllllChristian57Jery…… (或更多),我們也曉得是「同一個人」


eloihk 寫到:
何況「化身」如此之多


互聯網是個自由討論的世界, 當中有來各界不同的人參與, 有許多在這討論區參與討論的人, 事實上我也不知道是誰。

雖然 bosophie 不認同很多不同的名字,原來都是同一個人的做法,但偏偏大學生研經宣教會(UBF- Hong Kong) 卻不理會 bosophie 及一些同工們的立場,堅持在網上不同的平台上用了很多不同的名字,但卻是同一個組織(或人) [詳見下],這樣的行為其實莫視一些在UBF裏較不喜歡不誠實的同工們的立場(e.g. bosophie, Graceleung, eloihk, etc. ),令不贊成用很多教會名字的弟兄姊妹,也迫不得意地參與教會不太誠實的做法,大學生研經宣教會在網上不同平台之名稱如下:

一,公司註冊處註冊之名稱(英文)UNIVERSITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP (HONG KONG CENTRE) LIMITED
二,公司註冊處註冊之名稱(中文):大學生研經宣教會(香港中心)有限公司
三,主日信息 (英文)Hong Kong Centre
四,主日信息 (中文):香港中心
五,香港網站(英文)University Bible Fellowship - Hong Kong
六,香港網站(中文):大學生研經宣教會 - 香港
七,FB名稱(帳號一): 大學生研經宣教會(香港) (UBF - Hong Kong)
八,FB名稱(帳號二): Hongkong Ubf
九,FB名稱(帳號三): 大學生研經宣教會 (香港中心) UBF (Hong Kong Centre)
十,FB名稱(帳號四): 大學生研經宣教會 (UBF)  (~18/6/2012 新增) 
十一,Youtube帳號名稱: hkubf 
十二,Twitter: 大學生研經宣教會@hkubf 
十三,Yahoo blog: 大學生研經宣教會(UBF) 
十四,英文:University Bible Fellowship (UBF) 


難怪連韓國宣教士 C.S. 也感到混亂而在 FB 裏問道:Which is the official facebook page? (UBF - Hong Kong) or Hongkong Ubf ?


(註:自從此帖子張貼後,C.S.宣教士的以上留言,已被UBF負責網頁的弟兄 delete 了,此造法有消滅證據之嫌,與李注洋的屍體被匆匆火化,有何相似之處呢?)

事實上,一般正統教會只有一個官方網頁和一個名稱,是沒有那麼多不同的名稱。那麼,為何堂堂一個註冊慈善機構要用那麼多的名稱呢?

有專研濫權教會(Abusive Church)的學者Dr. Ronald Enroth在《Churches That Abuses》一書中指出,異端傾向經常更換名字,尤其當它們的名字被媒體曝光了(these churches tend to change their names often, especially once they are exposed by the media)
(source:http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4227407/k.9467/Abusive_Churches.htm)

問題:
Q1.
對於那些迫不得意地參與教會不太誠實的做法的UBF弟兄姊妹,個人深表同情你們,希望你們也認真思想:是否繼續留在一所有許多名稱的教會內服侍?

Q2.
你們又怎樣向羔羊交代UBF有許多名稱的原因呢?

Q3. UBF
牧者們會否覺得別人有多個名稱就是不對,並要拒絕對話,但自己教會UBF有許多名稱就無問題呢?

Q4. UBF
會否認為只要是為了福音工作,就不太誠實也沒有所謂呢?(耶青和統一教認為為了福音工作,說謊是沒有問題的)


2012年5月13日星期日

Prayer for Hong Kong UBF (13 May 2012)


Posted on 05/12/20125:53 pm, by briank 

Today I received the following email from a former Hong Kong UBF member. With her permission, I share the unedited email. Please pray for our brothers and sisters in Hong Kong UBF who are experiencing painful division. The main reason is the same as in other UBF chapters: a constant demand by leaders for sheep to submit to their authority, in the name of “keeping spiritual order” and honoring the UBF spiritual heritage above human relationships. As I wrote earlier in November 2011, this problem has been ongoing in Hong Kong UBF.


1 Corinthians 12:26-27 “26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.  27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.”


On 12.05.2012 00:37, Exodus Ubf wrote:

Dear Brain,
Thank you for your support and encouragement on your blog. I am glad to be your friend too.

We just heard a news that one house church (Shep Paul Liu & Shep Rebekah) and their fellowship members have all left HK UBF last week. Rebekah is the greatest disciple of Msn Angela Kim (other than Shep Maria and her coworker Shep Hayes Tang) and Her fellowship once was the biggest family (around 10-20 members) in HKUBF. Actually Shep. Paul Liu once was the ancestor of faith in Hong Kong UBF and he is one of the messengers of SWS (Chapter II) in HKUBF. However, Msn Angela Kim suddenly raised up Shep Hayes Tang as the Abraham of Faith to replace his position. Here is his testimony:

“Shepherd Hayes Tang reported on Hong Kong Mission,and shared his life testimony. He became a born again Christian through one to one Bible study during his school days, and then he became an ancestor of faith in Hong Kong UBF …”

Last week, Shep Rebekah leave UBF together with her fellowship members. We don’t know the details for the cause of their leaving, exactly numbers of exodus and their future plans. However, one brother told us that she might be blamed by Msn Angela Kim. Actually, we know that Shep Rebekah has long been discredited by Msn Angela Kim because she had her own thinking, did not listen to her words and obey her absolutely.

Indeed, it is because Shep Rebekah loves the sheep so much, and she doesn’t want to use the UBF method of dictatorship and manipulation to serve God’s sheep.

We tell her that some pastors who are familiar with the operation of UBF are very willing to have Bible study or counselling supports to them if they need. And we will remember them in our prayer.

Thank you for your continuous concern about UBF – Hong Kong. May God bless you and you family.

In Christ,
HK Exodus




2011年12月11日星期日

UBF 領袖如何 "配婚”? / How UBF leaders assign “spouse”? (12 Dec 2011)

由於大學生研經宣教會(UBF)會為信徒配婚,藉此操控信徒,而 UBF 的配婚是相當神秘的,因此大家可參考以下兩個網站的資料:

1. UBF 領袖如何 "配婚”? 


異端專家 Rick ross 網站發放有關 UBF 領袖 "配婚"安排


"They use arranged marriage first as a bait for the young students, and then as a way to control the married couple. Usually they marry a less loyal members to a very loyal member (therefore the marriages are often between Koreans and Non-Koreans), so the leader can exert control through the more loyal marriage partner." (source: http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,21702,page=2 )

據 Rick Ross 網站資料,UBF 傾向將一位較較易操控的(較聽從牧者)與另一位相對無咁易操控的(無咁聽從牧者的)二人結合一起,此舉能把他們捆綁在一起,不能離開 UBF,因此若果其中一方想離開 UBF 的話,必遇到另一方(即較易操控的一方)阻止,所以許多信心家庭內,經常發生夫婦之間的衝突,有時這些衝突的發生,是由於宣教士/領袖想利用已受操控的一方,去操控另一方。

另外,由於無咁易受操控的一方,害怕離開 UBF 會導致離婚或婚姻破裂,因此他/她惟有繼續留在 UBF ,無奈地漸漸接受操控, 而UBF也可繼續從二人身上,要求奉獻大量時間或金錢給教會,若有兒女的話,情況可能變得更悲慘,因教會要求信心家庭,為教會事務全然奉獻,需要犧牲家庭兒女(註:UBF 宣教會/領袖會教導牧者,憑信心把家庭兒女交託給神,讓神親自成為他們的父母,而把工作以外的所有時間獻給 UBF,用作出席聚會和服事羔羊)。

在香港,一般有子女的信心家庭,由於父母需要絕對出席所有聚會及靈修營,而所有聚會均不許帶同十二歲以下子女參加,因此,宣教士/牧者會要求作父母的牧者,自費請菲傭來照顧兒女,使作父母的牧者能放工後,時刻服事羔羊和出席聚會。曾有些作父母的牧者,因沒有工人照顧兒女,卻因要絕對出席晚間所有聚會,而經常整晚獨留年幼的子女在家(沒有成年人陪伴),獨自吃晚飯及睡覺,使兒女疏忽照顧,其實這可能導致違法及十分危險的,可能被檢控為虐兒。

網上也有教會領袖操控信心家庭的例子,可參考 http://hkubf.blogspot.com/2011/10/x-x-ying.html 。

How UBF leaders assign “spouse”?
In Rick Ross’s website tells us how UBF leaders arrange merriage partner.

"They use arranged marriage first as a bait for the young students, and then as a way to control the married couple. Usually they marry a less loyal members to a very loyal member (therefore the marriages are often between Koreans and Non-Koreans), so the leader can exert control through the more loyal marriage partner."  (source: http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,21702,page=2 )

According to Rick Ross, UBF tends to assign one easier manipulating party to a relatively not-easy-to-manipulating party. When they are bound together, they are more difficult to leave UBF and easier to be manipulated. With such arrangement, if one party wants to leave UBF, his/her spouse will not allow. Therefore, many house church couples have frequent conflicts. Such conflicts occurs when the missionaries/leaders ask one party to control his/her spouse.

Moreover, the not-easy-to-manipulating party will afraid that leaving UBF might lead to divorce or marrige breakdown, so, he/she has to remain in UBF and will be manipulated gradually . UBF can continue to abuse them spiritually. For a family with children, the situation would be worser. Since UBF leaders request shepherds to dedicate totally to church affairs, even sacrifice their family (Note: UBF missionaries/leaders will ask shepherds to sacrifice their children to God by faith and let God himself be the children’s parent. So, after working, they can dedicate all the time to UBF to attend meetings and serve sheep)

In Hong Kong, the general house church’s parents need to attend all meetings and Bible Camps. Their children, aged below 12, are not allowed to appear in the meetings. Therefore, the missionaries/leaders will ask parent shepherds to pay for employing domestic helper to take care their children. So, the parent shepherds are free to attend meetings and serve sheep after working. Once, a pair of parent shepherds, without domestic helper but were requested to attend all meetings, always placed their young children alone at home (without adult accompanied) to have dinner and sleep at night. Under the law of HK, such neglecting children’s behaviour might be illegal and could be very dangerous. They might be charged for child abuse.

There are some examples of how HK UBF leaders control the house church. You may refer to the following website:   http://hkubf.blogspot.com/2011/10/x-x-ying.html 。


source:  http://ubf1.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/140/ 


2. 配婚安排:攝理教(JMS)及統一教(UC)/ 與UBF的配婚比較

http://blog.yahoo.com/_SWZIEVWSQ7M527G6DINCXQRKWA/articles/174566

2011年11月20日星期日

English (7 Dec 2011)



UBF CUHK missionary Kim XX confessed the sin “Lust of the eyes” publicly for about ten years (31 Jul 2012)


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As an ancestor of faith, dose he has “shoulder”? As missionaries, do they have “Pelvic Bone”? (26 May 2012)


Recently, I received the following email and watched the video clips. I found them very enlightening which taught me a good lesson of “Liberal Studies”. I hope to share with you:


As follows (modified slightly):

As an ancestor of faith, dose he has “shoulder”? As missionaries, do they have “Pelvic Bone”?



There are many teacher shepherds in UBF. Some of them are Liberal Studies teacher. Let's take a look at the video below, and have a L.S. lesson.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCXeTCUQWh8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGitYYbLfSg&feature=related


Questions and Reflections
1. Did the shepherds (especially ancestor of faith shep. Tang) confuse the public

2. In the KimChi Seminar
did the missionaries and ancestor of faith undertake the consequence by themselves?
3. As an ancestor of faith, dose he has “shoulder”? As missionaries, do they have “Pelvic Bone”?
4. Who has  single-handedly caused the false and misleading speech?

5. Why was there a Kim family's earthquake after the KimChi seminar
6. Did the missionaries pass the buck? Did the shepherds need to take the rap?
7. Did the missionaries use the local shepherds to become their shields?



Source: http://www.armbell.com/liberalhk/viewtopic.php?t=4894&start=105&mforum=liberalhk

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KimChi Talk’s False Speech by UBF shepherds (21 May 2012)



brother_2008 wrote:
” I am a former UBF brother who left UBF a few years ago. When I left, my feelings was almost the same as that of the previous shepherd’s leaving testimony a few months ago. The difference is that at that moment, I was like being isolated and failed to find the right person to share with.”



In fact, all exodus of former UBF – Hong Kong members would probably experience this sort of mental experience. From “suspecting” to “struggling”, from “being brainwashed” until “coming back to senses”, then he would experience some incidents to trigger him off. At last, he made decision to leave. Although this process will experience the painful feeling of discredited, isolation, or even be demoted. However, when he leaves UBF, he would have freedom in Christ and could drink the pure spiritual milk, so he will recover very soon and live a new life filling with freedom and joy.


It is said that the incident triggered one fellowship to leave UBF is in the Q&A session of the CUHK’s KimChi Talk. During the Q&A session, several UBF core shepherds were suspected of telling lies, untrue and misleading words publicly. Their behaviors caused some sheep to question about the integrity of the shepherds. They began to believe that UBF is an abusive church and made a decision to leave.


The following are several important cases in CUHK’s KimChi Talk on 11th April, 2012:


Case 1 (UBF-Hong Kong’s messenger Shep Tang XX claimed: I am just an ordinary shepherd, I hope that I could promote to a senior shepherd in the future)


During the Q&A session of CUHK’s KimChi Talk, one director class shepherd stood up. Dr. Cheung Teng asked him to introduce which shepherd’s class he belongs to. He kept on smiling and denied that he is a senior shepherd. He claimed that he is just an ordinary shepherd. And he even said that he hopes to promote to a senior shepherd in the future. However, what is the actual position and the real identity of this shepherd? The following content is quoted from UBF’s official web site:


“Shepherd Hayes Tang reported on Hong Kong Mission, and shared his life testimony. He became a born again Christian through one to one Bible study during his school days, and then he became an ancestor of faith in Hong Kong UBF …”
(source: http://www.ubf.org/content/america-visit-report-moody-park


According to UBF’s official web site, Hayes Tang is the ancestor of faith in Hong Kong UBF (also called “ancestor of faith – Abraham”). In UBF, every University has only one ancestor of faith. The statues of the ancestor of faith in UBF is very high and is highly-honored by missionaries. Shep. Hayes Tang is not only the ancestor of faith of one university, he is even the ancestor of faith in Hong Kong UBF which is a chapter combined by few universities. However, he claimed himself to be an ordinary shepherd. Obviously, he is suspected of telling lies publicly. Furthermore, he also said that he would like to promote to a senior shepherd. Does he think that being the ancestor of faith in Hong Kong UBF is not enough? Does he even have a greater ambition to pursue further promotion?


Summary of case 1:  As the ancestor of faith of Hong Kong UBF, he was actually giving false speech, leading to the questioning about his integrity. As a faith ancestor and messenger of UBF, he did not set a good example of speaking honestly. Will he bring bad influence of releasing false speech publicly to UBF’s shepherds, brothers and sisters?


Case 2 (Shep. “Wanna Buy House”, sheep of Shep. Tang XX, claimed,  “I have freedom to travel and my life in UBF-Hong Kong is very free. If being Shepherds are so busy, I think I have already left UBF.”

(Remarks: Shepherd “Wanna Buy House” once wanted to buy a house but his ideas was rejected and judged by missionary.)


During the KimChi Talk, Shep. “Wanna Buy House” claimed that his life was very free in UBF. He could even go traveling and buy T-shirt, etc. However, his statement was misleading. Since according to the message of Shep. TangXX, “Traveling” is worldly (or an example of the easy-going life). Let’s see below the UBF-HK’s faith ancestor TangXX’s teaching (Message of Chapter III in UBF-HK). In his message, he pointed out “traveling” is a “wide gate”, that leads to destruction:


"But for the wide doors, it is no need to invite others or to send invitation card. Everyday there are people forming teams to enter. They might form teams like “Tour group”, “Food group”, “Shopping group”… to rush into the wide gate. Therefore, although behind the wide gate are “Comfort Station”, “Pleasure Station”, “Vanity station”, ”Crime Station”, but …the terminus is “Perish”…So what is the actual difference between “narrow gate” and “wide gate”? “Wide gate” means “having a free (easy-going) life”. People do not need hard-working or struggling spiritually but they can still enter the wide gate. Behind the wide gate, people can enjoy comfort and lust. Therefore, choosing “wide gate” is a natural practice. On the way of wide road, people can meet many friends and they would not feel lonely.” (source: message of Chapter III, 21/9/2008, Mat 7:13-29)

Indeed, Shep. “Wanna Buy House” shared sogam in the message of 2011 HK SBC. He mentioned that his coworker cannot pass the “language benchmark test” for three years, so she was requested to repent.


“…but I work with computer everyday, so I don’t know how to love the others. Last year, my coworker (wife) could neither find any sheep nor any job. She also failed to pass the “language benchmark test” in the past three years. She was not only discouraged, but also looked down by others. Those who did not understand her, just asked her to repent, but did not realize that she was one who also need to be shepherding. I felt her frustration. I encouraged her that God can easily give you a job.” (14/8/2011, message of HK SBC, John 21:1-17)


Summary of case 2:  From the above message and sogam, we can see that shep.Tang XX’s sheep, “Shep. Wanna Buy House”, cannot live freely in the real world as he said. His wife was requested to repent and lacked of being shepherded. If he follows the teaching of TangXX, it is impossible for him to travel. Therefore, his speech was misleading or untrue. It is presumptuous for him to speak such misleading or untrue speech. Is it inherited from TangXX?



Case 3  (A CUHK Shepherdess, Shep. G, claimed, “I was not arranged marriage in UBF”)


During KimChi Talk, Dr Cheung Teng asked if UBF will arrange marriage and asked the UBF shepherds whether they were arranged marriage in UBF or not, and asked them to answer one by one. At that time, all shepherds kept silent, including the faith ancestor shep. TangXX. Nobody answered. However, Shep. G stood up suddenly and took herself as an example. She told that she had a boyfriend before, and later they got married in UBF, instead of being  “arranged marriage”. Although she was telling something true, she hided the fact that 90% of the shepherds are arranged married in UBF – Hong Kong. Her marriage is just a rare example in UBF. Although she did not tell lie, such speech is misleading people to think that brothers and sister have freedom to date with someone and choose to marry in UBF-Hong Kong.


Summary of case 3: Shepherdess G took herself as an example, so that people think that not all shepherds are arranged to marry in UBF. However, she did not honestly point out the fact that 90% of the marriages of shepherds are “arranged marriages”. This practice was misleading, confusing the public and resulted of losing her integrity.


The aftermath of KimChi Talk

Recently, a former UBF member shared with me honestly the follows:


Since his shepherd often told him that the speech on web are false, it is difficult for him to distinguish whether they are true or false, as a result, he hesitated and stayed in UBF for a period. However, “KimChi Talk” helped trigger his decision to leave UBF because he personally saw that UBF shepherds was lying, hiding the facts, misleading and confusing the public. The missionaries (as leaders) were hiding behind in the Q&A session of KimChi Talk. These triggered him to question the integrity of the UBF missionaries and shepherds. Finally, he realized that the speech on web is mostly with evident to support. He had reflections after “KimChi Talk” and he finally made decision to leave UBF-Hong Kong. He left UBF because he heard the voice of UBF shepherds (especially those with ancestor class), and that helped trigger his decision to leave UBF.


I believe those shepherds, including Shep. Tang XX, Shep. G and Shep. “Wanna buy house”, are victims indeed. They are kind-hearted. They thought that they could stand out as the shields for the missionaries which caused this exposure of their speech suspected of lying and misleading.


I hope those missionaries, as leaders, do not use the poor local shepherds to become their shields. So that they could be leaders who walk in front of the sheep bravely to face and address the issue of UBF’s manipulation, dictatorship and lies, etc.


You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” (John 8:44) This key verse is often used by UBF shepherds for teaching the sheep. Hope that each time when they teach the sheep this key verse, they could also reflect on it.

  


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Prayer for Hong Kong UBF (13 May 2012)


Posted on 05/12/20125:53 pm, by briank 

Today I received the following email from a former Hong Kong UBF member. With her permission, I share the unedited email. Please pray for our brothers and sisters in Hong Kong UBF who are experiencing painful division. The main reason is the same as in other UBF chapters: a constant demand by leaders for sheep to submit to their authority, in the name of “keeping spiritual order” and honoring the UBF spiritual heritage above human relationships. As I wrote earlier in November 2011, this problem has been ongoing in Hong Kong UBF.


1 Corinthians 12:26-27 “26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.  27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.”


On 12.05.2012 00:37, Exodus Ubf wrote:

Dear Brain,
Thank you for your support and encouragement on your blog. I am glad to be your friend too.

We just heard a news that one house church (Shep Paul Liu & Shep Rebekah) and their fellowship members have all left HK UBF last week. Rebekah is the greatest disciple of Msn Angela Kim (other than Shep Maria and her coworker Shep Hayes Tang) and Her fellowship once was the biggest family (around 10-20 members) in HKUBF. Actually Shep. Paul Liu once was the ancestor of faith in Hong Kong UBF and he is one of the messengers of SWS (Chapter II) in HKUBF. However, Msn Angela Kim suddenly raised up Shep Hayes Tang as the Abraham of Faith to replace his position. Here is his testimony:

“Shepherd Hayes Tang reported on Hong Kong Mission,and shared his life testimony. He became a born again Christian through one to one Bible study during his school days, and then he became an ancestor of faith in Hong Kong UBF …”

Last week, Shep Rebekah leave UBF together with her fellowship members. We don’t know the details for the cause of their leaving, exactly numbers of exodus and their future plans. However, one brother told us that she might be blamed by Msn Angela Kim. Actually, we know that Shep Rebekah has long been discredited by Msn Angela Kim because she had her own thinking, did not listen to her words and obey her absolutely.

Indeed, it is because Shep Rebekah loves the sheep so much, and she doesn’t want to use the UBF method of dictatorship and manipulation to serve God’s sheep.

We tell her that some pastors who are familiar with the operation of UBF are very willing to have Bible study or counselling supports to them if they need. And we will remember them in our prayer.

Thank you for your continuous concern about UBF – Hong Kong. May God bless you and you family.

In Christ,
HK Exodus




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Why don’t “Watching something missionary” request his/her coworker to do make-up, rather than requesting the bros. & sis.?  
(11 May 2012)


I remembered that "Watching something” missionary have also mentioned many times that if sisters love Jesus, they will be very beautiful and no need to use SK-II (make-up products). Is "Watching something” missionary implying that the sisters were not loving Jesus and thus they should use make-up? If this is true, does Devil Angel and Armor using make-up imply that they do not love Jesus and they had dark faces?

The coworker of "Watching something” missionary always blame the others with a dark face in GBS, why don’t "Watching something” missionary command his/her coworker to use make-up to make the face bright?


Why doesn’t "Watching something” missionary give pressure to his/her coworker to serve more than 20 sheeps, instead of giving pressure to the bros. & sis.? I have heard that "Watching something” missionary served only 1 sheep for a long period. So he/she “seized” the sheeps (force others to give sheeps) from another missionary and other shepherd. The sheeps that he/she has right now, were seized from the others. For example, Blad Elisha, Prince with faith’s root. Once “Devil Angel” said that “Watching something” missionary seized his/her sheep while he/she was serious sick.  He/she seemed to be very tragic while speaking. The “devil angel” said these things behind him. Even that missionary did not know that he/she was discredited by the others.


Actually, if "Watching something” missionary had no sheep, he/she should follow his/her teaching to use make-up, which is betther than seizing the sheeps from the others. On the other hand, “Devil Angel” always speak ill of the other behind. This is not right.






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"Watching something” missionary ignored the health of bros. & sis., and commanded bros. and sis. to follow the example of "armor" (10 May 2012)

Posted on: 05-08-2012 9:10      Post subject: Re: On the freedom of Christians  

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ffgh wrote:
Today I read a sermon of Martin Luther.  Although this sermon talks about monk's life, but is very suit for describing this organization.  I get two points as follows :   
(1)  Everyone is obedience to God, received the calling from God, and cannot be forced by the others.   
(2)  cannot because some people can, the others must follow them.  Because everyone is different.   
However, this organization has a lot of things of forcing someone to serve.  From the sermon, this organization cannot make people to live the Christian life.  
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Thank you for sharing! This organization does have this problem: one is forced to serve or have to serve under peer pressure (others’ eyes). In fact, this problem starts from the missionaries as the leaders. The following is an example, it happened in a praying meeting of Bible School many years ago.

At that time, “watching something” missionary gave an announcement and said, all the shepherds should learnt from Armor, because he/she served more than 20 1:1 each week, and said the news has shocked the Korean brothers and sisters , because she struggled to serve even he/she did not have time to eat. And then the missionaries said to all the brothers and sisters, "the Bible School should be like the heaven banquet, do not bring the dark face to the meetings, if any sister has dark face, she can use make-up to make the face shiny, if you do not know how to make-up, you can ask armor who always has bright face because of using make-up."

As shown in the above example, the missionaries are used to use  the mean of "glorifying someone to give pressure to the others", and these things are very common. Such as the above example, the missionary gave “Shock encouragements” to the others through glorifying armor. As a result making shep without much sheeps very tragic, subject to contempt in the eyes of others or lower poisition in the church.  Of course, the shepherds will also pass on the pressures to the sheeps, the sheeps will obey to do what the shepherds request ultimately under such kind of peer pressure.

Q1. “Serving without eating” is completely ignoring one’s  health. Even the kindergarten will teach the students such common sense of aware one’s health and to have a balanced diet. However UBF's missionaries are totally ignoring it. Does the Korean kindergarten not teach about that?

Q2. If those sisters listened to the words of the missionary to learn armor serve without eating and fainted on the way, as a result she need to see a doctor by using her own expense. It brings the loss the money, physical body, and time. So whose responsibility is it? Is it the responsibility of the missionary? 

Q3 Missionary is not “God”. How can he/she know the motivation of serving of the armor?  Perhaps it is due to competing and jealousy, or the pursuit of the glory of human?  (Note: once the armor are competing with two senior sisters Shepherds  (though  one of them went abroad later, while the other is  still in UBF) , and he/she repented the sins of competing with them through sharing sogam publicly. How can the missionary omit the possibility of strife and jealousy, or the glory, striving to serve? Indeed serving God with such motives cannot glorify God.) 

Let me introduce you the following website which allows you to better understand the actual operation of the global  UBF: 


The content is very rich. It analyze this organization from different points of views.




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One more excellent example of UBF "say one thing and do another" practice (4 May 2012)


“The special relationship between Israel and God is an unimaginable privilege. His people have been given great freedom, they do not have the book tyrant slave life. "
"Through the establishment of boundaries, God protect him and where from the spiritual and physical harm."
(UBF Daily Bread, Lev
7:22-38, 4 / 5/2012)

1.     UBF believers actually do not want to pay a high cost to participate the International Bible Conference. However, since Shepherd “armor” even without money but borrow money from his/her father to participate it, the other UBF believers subject to great pressure, had to scrimp and save but also to participate by paying their own cost;
2     UBF believers are required to serve a lot from morning to night, and must report to the missionary about the serving and the number, they often afraid of the number of the fellowship members is less than the others, not good enough, or innuendo and criticism by UBF missionary in the message/ DB, they often tied up by fear;
3      UBF believers must obey the arrangement of marriage. They must marry even with a brother who is a few years younger, or a brother who is shorter, or gay or a sister with staunch character, like soldiers, and they must marry within one month.
4.    UBF shepherd wants to buy a flat, but he could not.

5.          UBF shep. take the "English benchmark test " many times but fail, some coworkers did not comfort him/her. Instead, they ask him/her to repent.

6.    UBF shep who has a root of faith is asked to absolute attend the Sunday worship. As a result, he/she cannot take the Sunday benchmark tests, and he/she must wait one more year to retake the test;
7.    UBF scapegoat sister's son even has a high fever. However, his/her Shepherd forced he/her to absolute attend Bible study. However, afterwards he/she said that this behavior is just the spiritual mother taught spiritual sons and daughters;
8.     If UBF believers do not listen the words of the UBF missionaries, he/she will be arranged to study Bible with a “Troubled Senior Shep” at any time.

9     When UBF sheep grow to a period of time, UBF missionaries would come, and ask you to give the sheep to he/she, to study Bible with him/her (in fact, they want to get your fruit, i.e. your sheep);
10. UBF missionaries do not need to wash the toilet, but you need to do all, such as vacuuming, mopping, cleaning the toilet, etc.;
11. UBF missionary has salary, but you even fail to get the minimum salary $28 (in HK) for washing toilet;
12. UBF missionaries have the right to criticize you, even publicly accuse you. But if you dissatisfied and complain about them, then you may be discredited or they will pray for your weak faith publicly.
13. UBF missionaries ignore to deal with the church the core issue (for example: control, dictatorship, financial ...), but if you dissatisfacted with these issues, the UBF missionaries will say that these are complains, sins, thankless, etc. And you have to written sogam to repent the sin of thankless.

Q1: Is the life of the UBF believers really like what is said in Daily Bread that they can enjoy great freedom, or they are living in the life of a tyrant slave?
Q2: Why the boundary established by UBF missionaries to UBF believers is obviously violating the Bible teaching, severe beyond the boundaries of it? 

Source: http://www.armbell.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4894&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90&sid=2f22d6e6c4fefe966c377026dbd8b79d&mforum=liberalhk




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A Corinth missionary’s sogam - stretched out the hands of kimchi (24 Apr 2012)

Prayer: Please to today's twenty-first century in a civilized city, Hong Kong, manipulation, and the dictatorship of the Jesus people pray, Pray executeth righteousness trial, came to embrace the right of the dictator, so that the oppressed people have with release, re had a free and peaceful life.

Part 1  I have never stretched out my hand
"Jesus commanded that we held out his hand in front of everybody, that is, the gathering of the saints, with a cure for the main confidence, personal shame sin to the light, so the Lord to heal and clean. For example, through sharing sogam, we can stretch our right hand out for the Lord to heal. "(From of UBF III of the worship information, 22/4, Luke 6:1-19)

(1) If held out his hand is so good, why 
Corinth missionaries without publicly withered hand out, do their hands trotter?

2. Will the servant of the Sunday information, he would only loyalty hand cured? (At work suddenly doing the play and being the boss blame) why has not seen He held out his hand to the Lord to heal. ?

"I ask you, on the Sabbath to do good evil, life-saving lethal, Which is it? ... Jesus, so that the core of the issue is whether to do good and important life-saving, or the observance of the Sabbath does not work important. God joy in everyday life to do good and save lives, said human righteousness and the fear of God in the Bible, such as Job in the Old Testament. how the Jews of the goodness of God, the joy of people to pursue, but on the Sabbath reversed regarded as incorrect, illegal it? black white and white to black. "(From of UBF III of the worship information, 22/4, Luke 6:1-19)

(3) the information of this passage is direct, means that Jesus work on the Sabbath, while the Pharisee law conviction, as in UBF, brothers and sisters in the absence of worship or gatherings because of work, while Pharisee-like missionaries publicly convicted. This scripture is so direct and simple, but why the information servants to be as rotation and complex, I do not know whether he would like furtive want to insinuate the others?

Part II. I'm sorry, I'm not a spiritual parent, but a master cook poisonous kimchi

"Through the gospel, Paul became the spiritual father of the Corinthians." (UBF days taken from the grain, 23/4, II Corinthians 12:11-21)

Corinth missionaries often say that they are spiritual parents, in fact, just a master cook poisonous kimchi paternalistic manipulation and Persian mysticism toxic kimchi, to poison the believers, but Well never refused to recognize and face their own manipulation monopolizes power and authoritarian core issue, but whenever encountered kimchi disaster, exposing sins, it will issue to push in the Corinthian church and believers, but not to confront and deal with the core of the problem, and then called the Corinthians The church and believers to repent.

Part III. Hope you will not learn from me, kimchi magic!

"Many of the problems the church at Corinth, Paul's hope they repent before he came." (UBF days taken from the grain, 23/4, II Corinthians 12:11-21)

Corinth Missionary most good to spill out the push side, flash, avoid dumping "kimchi magic, while the Corinthian elders to shirk its responsibility to give them long Corinth missionaries so that they encounter problems will be conditioned to the responsibility onto the individual person and the victim, or all the property to a person's sin, thinking that as long as the repentance of some sins, all problems will be solved, so simple-minded to analyze the problem, will not only trapped in the vicious cycle of repeated, but also to the Corinthian believers to bear the fruits of irresponsible, the irresponsible practice passed down, for example: no matter what scandal occurs, they will say: This is just an isolated incident, as long as repentance, all problems will be resolved! They repeated and repeatedly say, a brain seems to be cleaned; they have completed the 
Corinth University, not even basic common sense, very poor!

"Paul ... did not the preacher after the leave, but left to love and serve them." (UBF days taken from the grain, 23/4, II Corinthians 12:11-21)

Paul obviously will leave shortly after in the preacher will not last long stay in a local manipulation of believers, however, Corinth missionaries to stay in Corinth University, refused to leave, just want life to the paternalistic manipulation Corinth believers, but the fine-sounding name, not the preacher after the leave, but left to love and serve them, is really very interesting! !

Corinth missionary's One Word: Lord! I am willing to stretch out my hand of "avoiding responsibilities". From now on, I will not say that I am the spiritual parents to manipulate the people no longer use the scriptures to insinuate the others, I beg you pardon me!

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